Watertown City Council
Tuesday February 27, 2024
The order of items in transcripts appear in the chronological order in which they were taken up. Some Agenda items may have been skipped.
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237.44 LISA237.44 FELTNER237.44 -237.44 WATERTOWN237.44 CITY237.44 COUNCIL237.44 -237.44 Thank237.44 you,237.6 Mr.238.16 President.238.8 The238.8 Committee238.96 on239.36 Economic239.6 Development240.16 and240.56 Planning240.72 convened241.12 on241.44 Wednesday,241.6 February242.08 7,242.48 2024,242.96 at243.68 5:30243.84 PM244.53 in244.84 the244.93 city245 council245.33 office245.72 as246.53 a246.69 hybrid246.84 meeting247.25 with247.56 remote247.81 participation248.28 by249.09 Zoom.249.33 Present250.13 were250.44 myself250.77 as251.33 chair251.65 and252.05 Vincent252.21 Peccirilli252.69 as253.84 secretary.253.84 Councilor254.72 John255.28 Gannon,255.44 vice255.84 chair,256.08 was256.32 absent.256.56 The257.52 staff257.84 present257.84 was258.24 George258.72 Proakis,259.04 city259.68 manager.259.92 The260.9 purpose261.15 of261.15 the261.31 meeting261.46 was,261.94 first,262.19 to262.59 conduct262.75 interviews263.23 for263.79 the264.19 Historic264.19 District264.67 Commission264.99 and265.38 Public265.55 Arts265.94 and266.75 Culture266.99 Committee,267.38 and267.79 second,268.02 to268.72 discuss268.88 a269.12 proposed269.44 amendment269.84 to270.16 the270.24 planning270.4 board270.8 ordinance271.12 to271.76 add271.92 an272.16 associate272.4 member.272.88 The273.6 planning273.76 board274.16 ordinance274.4 was274.8 taken274.96 up275.2 first.275.36 The276.06 manager276.13 began276.54 by276.86 explaining277.01 that277.57 this277.81 grew278.06 out278.3 of278.54 a278.69 discussion278.69 he279.1 had279.25 with279.5 the279.57 Department279.81 of280.13 Community280.3 Development.281.01
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