Watertown Affordable Housing Trust
Wednesday July 10, 2024
The order of items in transcripts appear in the chronological order in which they were taken up. Some Agenda items may have been skipped.
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82.3 CLIFF82.3 COOK82.3 -82.3 AFFORDABLE82.3 HOUSING82.3 TRUST82.3 CHAIR82.3 -82.3 I'll82.3 just82.54 ask82.94 for83.1 a83.18 motion83.26 to83.82 approve84.06 the84.38 minutes84.46 of84.78 May84.94 21st.85.18 But85.66 before85.82 we86.06 do86.14 that,86.3 do86.46 you86.54 have86.62 any86.7 amendments86.94 you87.26 want87.5 to87.74 make?87.74
88.84 LEO88.84 PATTERSON88.84 -88.84 AFFORDABLE88.84 HOUSING88.84 TRUST88.84 MEMBER88.84 -88.84 No,88.84 sir.89.08
89.81 COOK89.81 -89.81 Okay.89.81 So,90.53 can90.69 someone90.92 offer91.25 a91.48 motion91.56 to91.89 approve91.97 the92.2 minutes92.28 from92.6 May92.77 21st?93
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112.3 COOK112.3 -112.3 I112.3 think112.54 that112.78 covers113.1 everybody;113.9 those114.06 are114.06 approved.114.3 Next115.42 item115.74 are116.06 the116.22 minutes116.38 from116.78 the116.94 June117.26 18th117.74 meeting.118.22 Just119.4 note119.56 that119.59 we're119.64 being120.03 joined120.36 by120.83 George121.08 Proakis,121.4 the122.03 city122.28 manager.122.59 Does123.95 anybody124.19 have124.59 any124.75 comments125 or125.31 corrections125.56 in125.95 the126.03 June126.19 18th126.52 minutes?127 Okay,130.13 that130.29 being130.29 the130.53 case,130.61 I'll130.85 ask131.09 for131.17 a131.33 motion131.41 to131.73 accept131.81 the132.13 June132.21 18th132.45 minutes.132.85
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152.44 COOK152.44 -152.44 Alright.152.44 Our152.76 next152.84 item153.16 is153.56 the153.72 Watertown155.78 Belmont156.18 Methodist156.18 Church,156.66 exploring157.06 the157.53 affordable157.62 housing157.94 options.158.41 I'm159.22 going159.38 to159.62 ask159.62 Larry159.78 to160.09 talk160.18 about160.41 this160.57 a160.81 little160.9 bit161.06 to161.29 explain161.53 why161.78 this161.94 is162.18 also162.25 not162.66 on162.81 executive163.59 session.163.67 There164.15 are164.47 similar164.63 discussions165.03 in165.43 the165.59 end165.75 until165.91 this166.23 point.166.39
168.55 LARRY168.55 FIELD168.55 -168.55 TOWN168.55 OF168.55 WATERTOWN168.55 -168.55 So168.55 the168.87 purpose169.11 of169.83 tonight's170.39 agenda170.95 item171.43 on171.83 the171.99 Watertown172.07 Belmont172.76 Methodist173.97 Church174.44 is175.41 to175.64 confirm175.88 that176.53 the176.84 Affordable176.92 Housing177.41 Trust177.88 is178.36 willing179.49 to179.81 assess180.04 the181.68 church181.92 site182.32 for182.72 affordable183.2 housing.183.68 As186.24 Cliff187.12 said,187.52 typically,188.5 when189.22 we189.69 talk190.01 about190.25 sites,190.74 it's191.14 in191.38 executive191.78 session,194.18 this194.97 is194.97 different195.38 because196.09 it196.58 is196.81 a196.97 site197.25 that197.49 has197.61 been197.73 publicly198.05 discussed.198.85 It200.37 is200.53 in200.77 fact200.93 in201.25 the201.41 Watertown201.57 Square202.21 area203.25 plan203.73 as204.69 an204.94 opportunity205.09 for206.38 the206.62 city206.86 to207.18 explore.207.42 So,209.09 at209.42 this209.74 stage,210.06 having211.09 public211.57 discussion211.97 about212.53 the212.78 site213.18 is213.5 appropriate.213.66 Of215.98 course,216.14 there217.1 may217.34 be217.5 some217.74 time217.9 in218.14 the218.38 future218.54 where219.1 we219.5 are219.74 talking219.98 about220.38 the221.28 site's221.53 dollar222.09 value222.49 and223.13 negotiations223.84 potentially224.97 on225.76 a226.72 price,226.88 and227.69 then228 it228.25 would228.49 be228.65 appropriate228.88 to229.44 go229.6 to229.84 an230.25 executive230.49 session.232.4 So,232.8 with233.28 that233.44 introduction,234.24 if234.88 I235.28 may235.52 provide235.92 background236.64 and237.44 there237.84 will238.08 be238.4 people238.56 here238.88 who239.12 know239.36 this239.6 background.239.84 The243.97 church244.46 property246.22 consists246.86 of247.25 4247.58 parcels,249.2 the249.36 street249.36 address249.84 is250.24 80-92252 Mount253.12 Auburn253.44 Street.253.76
257.12 Those257.44 4257.44 parcels257.76 include260.37 the261.81 largest262.04 one,262.52 which262.85 is263 about263.25 an263.64 acre,263.88 which264.44 is264.69 where265.32 the265.88 historic267.16 church267.72 is268.12 located,268.28 and269.88 where270.2 there270.52 is270.68 also270.92 an272.52 addition272.76 that273.4 is273.64 attached273.88 to275.24 the275.4 church.275.56 The278.43 church278.82 itself,279.23 I280.43 believe,280.58 dates281.38 from281.79 1896,288.77 and,290.21 the290.21 immediate290.21 addition290.77 to291.25 the291.41 right,291.65 is292.81 one293.06 that,293.38 was,295.62 I296.57 believe,296.74 1926.297.54 Then299.21 there299.38 is299.62 a299.86 small304.55 one-story305.19 bump305.19 out305.43 in305.67 the305.91 front306.07 that307.19 was307.91 1956,311.31 and,312.43 even312.43 though312.67 that312.9 looks313.14 like313.46 it's313.79 old314.02 because314.26 it314.67 has316.11 some316.82 of316.82 the316.99 original317.14 stones317.71 around318.26 the318.58 bottom,318.75 those319.63 were319.94 reused320.35 from321.13 the322.33 church.322.57 Then325.13 there326.17 is326.41 a326.65 detached326.81 structure,327.45 which328.01 is328.25 the331.07 parsonage,331.31 which333.31 dates,333.88 from,335.31 I336.6 think,336.68 1890s340.62 as341.26 well.341.42 The344.54 portions347 of347.08 the348.76 property349 that350.69 have351.96 the353.25 additions353.88 and355.22 the356.74 detached356.82 parsonage357.54 comprise360.74 a361.22 total361.38 of362.18 0.42366.56 acres.367.36 And368.88 those369.19 portions,369.6 were370.56 put370.88 on371.12 the371.28 market371.44 by371.84 the372.07 church,372.24 at374.07 least374.23 two374.55 years374.71 ago,375.03 with376.39 the376.63 idea376.79 that377.19 the377.51 Watertown377.75 Belmont378.47 Church379.27 Congregation379.67 would380.71 concentrate381.62 in382.25 Watertown,382.57 and384.1 they384.33 would384.5 use384.74 proceeds385.21 from385.77 the386.01 sale386.18 of386.57 a386.74 portion386.81 of387.06 the387.21 property387.3 to388.57 be388.81 able388.89 to389.21 restore389.95 the390.51 parts390.59 of390.91 the391.07 church391.23 that392.03 require392.43 it,392.91 and393.95 also394.27 have394.83 a395.87 capital396.03 fund396.43 for396.75 the396.83 future.396.99 A400.96 number401.28 of401.92 parties402.96 looked403.6 at405.92 that406.98 portion407.14 of407.54 the407.7 property,407.78 and408.42 concluded408.74 that409.3 it409.46 really409.7 did410.02 not410.26 work410.58 for410.82 them,410.9 for412.1 a412.34 variety412.42 of412.82 reasons.412.9
414.6 There414.6 were414.84 some415.15 who415.48 were415.63 coming415.88 in416.19 for416.6 housing,418.28 some418.51 were418.51 coming418.68 in419 for,419.24 other420.44 than420.68 housing.420.92 One422.59 of422.75 the422.91 parties423.07 who423.47 was423.63 most423.87 interested424.19 in424.67 this424.83 was425.07 Metro425.31 West425.87 Collaborative,425.87 which426.59 did426.83 a427.95 concept428.11 plan428.59 that428.99 involved429.23 tearing431.31 down431.87 the432.67 existing432.9 structures433.54 and434.35 replacing435.23 it435.79 with436.11 a436.5 new437.96 modern439.24 building439.24 that439.56 would439.8 be439.96 100%440.28 affordable.440.84 The443.24 single443.48 biggest443.88 barrier444.44 to445.16 doing446.29 something446.62 on447.25 at448.38 least448.54 that448.85 portion449.18 of449.74 the449.89 property450.06 is451.1 that451.33 it453.02 is453.18 in453.34 the453.58 historic453.82 all454.7 of454.94 the455.18 property,455.58 but456.38 in457.18 particular,457.42 this457.98 part458.38 is458.7 in458.86 the459.02 historic459.1 district,459.5 and460.65 there's460.81 no460.98 provision461.45 in462.1 the462.25 ordinance462.98 for463.85 tearing464.65 down465.13 structures466.18 that466.65 are466.81 within466.98 the467.29 historic467.45 district.467.85 So,472.19 any473.71 plan474.19 that474.91 would475.39 involve475.71 demolishing476.43 the476.99 structures477.38 and477.71 replacing478.11 it478.75 would479.71 have480.5 this480.9 as481.23 a481.38 very482.11 large482.5 issue.482.75 The485.44 church485.92 decided486.32 this486.88 spring,487.2 the487.6 congregation487.84 voted488.56 to490.88 relocate491.6 in493.14 Belmont494.9 rather495.79 than496.11 Watertown,496.43 following497.14 the497.55 same497.7 idea498.02 of498.43 selling498.67 and499.31 concentrating499.79 the500.58 money500.75 on501.14 what's501.38 needed501.7 there,502.02 including502.97 capital503.37 reserve.503.77
505.21 So,505.53 that505.53 now505.85 means506.09 that506.65 the507.21 total507.53 site507.93 is508.57 available,508.81 1.54511.36 acres,512.39 which513.12 is513.36 substantially513.6 larger514.39 and515.67 has516.08 areas516.79 where517.2 there's517.43 more517.75 flexibility518.08 to518.88 do518.96 something,519.2 but521.6 it's521.84 still522 a522.48 quite522.72 challenging523.28 site.523.92 The526.48 Watertown526.8 Square527.44 area527.92 plan528.32 includes529.12 a532.14 page532.3 on533.42 the533.83 Watertown534.07 Belmont534.63 Church535.11 as535.99 a536.3 potential536.63 redevelopment537.11 site537.83 and538.77 recommends539.01 that539.97 the541.73 city542.45 look543.25 at543.65 the543.97 site544.13 for544.45 affordable544.69 housing545.25 and545.81 or546.05 mission546.37 driven546.85 uses,549.39 to550.12 be550.27 more550.51 precise,550.67 affordable551.79 housing552.27 and552.75 or553.08 community554.27 uses.554.75 This555.96 is556.28 in556.52 line556.68 with557 what557.24 the557.56 church557.72 wants558.12 to558.44 do,558.52 which558.76 is559 affordable559.24 housing559.72 or560.2 mission560.36 driven560.6 uses561.24 being561.88 preferred.562.2 So,564.73 tonight565.85 is566.49 about566.8 asking568.57 and569.28 I'll569.52 have569.92 to570 turn570.16 this570.4 back570.57 over570.73 to570.88 you,571.04 Cliff,571.97 asking572.21 the572.21 trust,572.61 to573.33 confirm573.57 that574.21 you574.61 have574.93 an575.17 interest575.33 in575.81 exploring576.69 the577.25 potential577.41 of577.89 this578.05 site578.29 for579.01 affordable579.33 housing,579.81 leaving581.36 the581.6 rest581.84 of582.08 it582.24 for582.48 potential582.79 community583.51 use583.92 that584.15 would584.32 be584.55 explored584.72 separately585.27 by586.32 other586.55 portions588.08 of588.48 the588.55 city.588.72 That590.34 as590.9 in591.14 the591.3 usual591.46 course592.02 for,592.66 the594.18 trust,594.34 we595.46 would595.62 have595.78 an596.74 on-call597.51 architect597.84 do598.56 concept598.8 plans.599.27 In600.63 this600.8 case,600.96 it601.2 would601.27 be601.43 Arrow601.6 Street602.15 Architects,602.15 which602.88 is603.12 one603.2 of603.36 the603.51 two605.01 firms,605.25 and605.25 they605.25 would605.73 focus605.97 on606.37 concept606.69 plans607.17 to608.13 maintain608.37 and609.09 reuse609.41 the610.93 existing611.17 structures611.73 with612.91 additions,613.07 potentially.614.6 So,615.95 with618.36 that,618.67
621.15 COOK621.15 -621.15 It's621.15 a621.23 lot621.31 more,621.47 I621.63 guess,621.87 that622.03 could622.19 be622.43 said.622.59 Maybe622.99 it's623.31 premature623.55 to624.03 really624.19 dig624.51 too624.83 deep625.07 in.625.31 I626.59 know626.67 that626.91 Larry626.99 and627.31 I627.47 met627.79 with627.95 the628.03 architects,628.19 and628.75 we628.91 went629.07 on629.39 a629.55 extensive630.52 tour631 of631.32 the631.4 property631.49 last632.28 week.632.61 It's634.04 in634.37 rough635.64 shape,635.96 parts636.68 of637 it637.08 as637.16 you637.32 would637.49 expect.637.73 There639.34 are639.66 two640.06 parking640.38 lots640.78 that641.82 could642.3 be642.54 sites643.5 for643.82 new643.98 construction.644.3 There645.74 are646.06 some646.14 potentials646.54 on647.34 the647.5 East648.58 end648.83 of648.9 the649.07 site,649.63 particularly,650.26 there's650.26 another650.5 parking650.83 area.651.23 The652.35 parsonage652.42 is652.99 not654.42 in654.58 its654.75 original654.9 location655.38 evidently,655.95 which657.11 may657.35 open657.51 up657.91 a658.07 little658.23 more658.47 flexibility658.71 around659.51 moving660.31 that660.71 particular661.75 structure.662.31 At664.04 this664.2 stage,664.37 we're664.52 working664.85 on665.16 trying665.4 to665.73 go665.88 with666.13 the666.28 existing666.45 building,667.64 which668.37 I668.68 think,668.76 honestly,669.64 I669.96 think670.04 will670.2 be670.45 difficult,672.79 and672.87 we'll672.87 go673.11 from673.19 there.673.43 Arrow675.03 Street675.51 has675.51 some678.15 ideas,678.79 they678.87 have678.87 a678.95 few679.11 ideas679.27 about679.59 how679.75 to679.91 tackle680.07 this.680.31 We'll680.63 be680.87 getting680.95 some681.27 concept681.59 plans682.09 then682.33 that682.4 we682.49 can682.73 talk682.97 about683.13 in683.45 August.683.68 I685.13 will685.37 note685.52 that685.76 the686.16 church687.04 sanctuary687.45 itself687.92 is688.25 beautiful,689.91 it690.07 would690.07 probably690.23 be690.63 terribly691.83 expensive692.31 to692.79 try692.87 to693.11 convert693.19 into693.51 housing.693.75 And694.55 probably694.79 honestly,695.27 I695.75 personally696.23 do696.63 not696.71 think696.87 it'd697.03 be697.19 practical,697.35 but697.75 I697.87 could697.99 defer698.15 to698.39 others698.47 with698.79 more698.95 hands-on699.35 experience699.74 in699.89 that700.05 regard.700.29
703.82 In703.89 terms703.89 of704.22 historic704.29 preservation,704.7 there705.25 is705.5 substantial706.46 religious,707.17 like,707.58 concrete,708.12 like,708.52 healthy708.76 relief709.08 that709.32 you709.48 can709.56 see709.72 from709.96 the710.12 outside710.28 that710.84 would711.56 raise711.72 an712.04 issue.712.2 There713.64 are713.88 quite714.2 a714.51 number714.76 of715.08 very715.51 impressive715.84 stained-glass716.48 windows716.72 so717.12 much717.27 visible717.51 from717.91 the718.08 street.718.15 I718.96 don't719.03 know719.36 how720.72 those720.96 could721.36 be721.51 handled721.84 and722.88 this723.2 be723.43 a723.67 public724.2 use724.52 in724.64 any724.76 way,725.08 that725.72 raises725.96 all726.36 kinds726.52 of726.68 other726.84 issues.727.08 I728.04 mean,728.12 there's728.28 ways728.6 around728.84 that,729.08 I729.24 don't729.32 know.729.56 I732.91 know733.07 the733.32 library733.39 is733.95 also734.2 interested734.51 in734.91 a735.07 major735.24 expansion735.88 that's736.51 also736.75 decided737.07 to737.55 work737.63 down737.88 the738.12 square738.27 area738.67 plan.739 I740.12 don't740.27 know740.43 that740.6 either740.91 that741.69 or742.01 certainly742.33 not.742.57 The742.81 church742.97 has743.29 been743.37 probably743.93 not744.17 been744.33 formed744.57 out744.81 in744.89 terms744.97 of745.21 long-term745.69 capital746.01 planning746.33 for746.65 the746.81 city.746.97 So,748.01 where748.25 they748.41 would748.57 fit748.73 in,748.97 I749.05 don't749.13 know.749.37 I749.53 don't749.69 know749.85 if749.93 there's750.01 other750.25 community750.49 groups750.89 that751.13 could751.36 be751.51 interested751.75 in752.15 the752.32 sanctuary752.39 section752.79 of753.2 the753.27 building,754.63 it's754.88 hard754.88 to755.2 say.755.36 There's756 a756.12 lot756.24 of756.48 questions756.55 here,756.88 I757 think757.12 there's757.27 a757.43 lot757.51 of757.75 potential,757.83 but758.24 a758.39 lot758.48 of758.71 questions.758.79 Comments760.98 or761.46 questions761.62 from761.94 anybody?762.1
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