Watertown Committee on Rules and Ordinances
Tuesday February 24, 2026
The order of items in transcripts is the chronological order in which they were taken up. Some Agenda items may have been skipped.
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112.46 GEORGE112.46 PROAKIS112.46 -112.46 CITY112.46 OF112.46 WATERTOWN112.46 -112.46 Sure.112.46 I'll112.78 do113.02 my113.18 best113.42 to113.58 provide113.74 a114.06 little114.14 bit114.3 of114.38 background114.46 on114.86 where115.02 we115.18 are115.34 here.115.42 And115.66 first115.82 of116.06 all,116.14 thank116.22 you116.46 for116.62 allowing117.74 me118.06 to118.3 participate119.42 remotely120.06 here120.54 today.120.78 My121.5 friends122.44 at122.59 JetBlue122.83 decided123.47 that123.8 they123.95 really124.11 didn't124.35 want124.52 me124.67 to124.83 get124.92 home125.08 this125.31 weekend.125.47 So,125.95 my127.47 expectation127.56 is128.11 I'll128.35 be128.51 back128.68 in129.16 Watertown129.31 Thursday129.79 morning.130.19 So,130.59 anyway,132.11 unfortunately,133.4 spending134.92 a135.08 lot135.24 of135.4 time135.48 discussing135.8 snowstorms136.2 from136.68 a136.84 distance137 without137.4 actually137.64 being137.88 able138.04 to138.2 appreciate138.36 quite138.84 what's139 going139.24 on139.48 the139.8 ground,139.88 but,140.92 doing142.04 the142.28 best142.36 we142.6 can142.76 here.142.92 So,143.16 we145.24 started145.48 out145.8 with145.88 a146.04 discussion,146.2 a146.68 request146.84 that147.24 came147.32 out147.56 of147.64 the147.72 council147.88 meeting148.28 to148.68 restrict148.92 pet149.24 stores.149.56
150.28 Our150.28 first150.6 two151.72 thoughts151.97 on152.28 that152.44 were,152.76 first153 of153.25 all,153.32 that153.65 we153.97 don't154.13 have154.37 any154.53 pet154.76 stores155 in155.32 Watertown.155.41 And155.89 one156.04 of156.21 the156.37 reasons156.44 we156.76 don't156.84 have157 any157.17 pet157.32 stores157.41 in157.72 Watertown157.89 is158.37 because158.44 we158.76 don't158.84 allow159.09 overnight159.41 pet159.97 boarding160.21 in160.6 Watertown160.76 by161.32 zoning.161.49 It's163.21 pretty163.45 difficult164.25 in164.65 many164.81 cases164.97 to165.37 sell165.53 animals165.77 if166.17 you166.25 can't166.41 leave166.57 them166.81 there166.97 overnight.167.77 So169.21 to169.53 date,169.61 that169.93 has170.09 generally170.33 kept170.73 pet171.05 stores171.21 out171.53 of171.69 Watertown.171.85 We173.21 looked173.45 at173.69 how173.93 to174.25 restrict174.41 pet174.81 stores175.06 in175.31 Watertown,175.47 and175.78 one175.94 idea176.1 came176.43 up176.67 to176.82 do176.91 a177.06 general177.22 restriction177.54 in178.03 zoning.178.19 I've178.5 done178.75 this178.91 through179.22 many179.54 years179.78 with180.19 just180.67 basically180.99 saying181.39 this181.63 is181.87 not182.1 an182.26 allowed182.43 use.182.75 Like,183.06 you183.22 can't183.39 do183.71 this183.87 particular184.1 use184.59 anymore.184.82 And185.15 last185.87 job,186.1 I186.34 did186.43 that186.59 with186.75 a186.91 lot186.99 of187.22 circumstances187.39 in187.87 a188.03 lot188.1 of188.26 places.188.34
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